Great discussion here last night and this morning. Unfortunately with the SP sitting where we are at people start and have been losing faith. We've all seen our portfolios fall with this "gem" of a deal, but we mostly understand the pendulum swings both way, when it starts to swing our way who knows, everyday we are closer to that time. I look forward to the exciting times again I think I've had enough of this downward spiral. When we start the other way I believe it will be like the movie fast and furious. Then we will all be looking back saying we should have pulled the trigger and got an extra # of shares. Time will tell I don't believe for one second this company will ever go bust and that's better position to be in than most venture stocks.