Toinv,,,,,,,,,,,,,,if we consider KD and now HL as ordinary investors but with a little twist,,,,,,,,and that is that they have no intention of selling their shares,,,then wot is their end game???.....hummmmmm........it would certainly seem that bringing the manufacturer to the table as a partner is telling,,,,,,,,,is it that RVX will be a Pharma in a few years??,,,,,,,,,,,,,I would think that if KD and HL have to be involved or own the technology to reap the incredible reward down the road.....selling is not part of their plan.......it is not that they need to flip shares to put food on their tables...........I am leaning towards the long term,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2018 and beyond,,,,,,,,,,,,,,way beyond,,,,,,,,,yepper I am,,,,,,,,,,,,even a dividend from the Pharma,,,,,,,,,,,,,and free spiffs each quarter,,,,,,for being a faithfull shareholder all these years,,,,,,,,,,,,, :o)