Thank you SMAN. ........To the forum; why do we keep associating Patrick with Fred? So far, I've seen nothing to substanciate this. The way I understand it, Pat was going to try to help the shareholders by regaining the patents. I don't have an inkling of what's happening, and if someone else does, i'd sure like to hear it. Is AWEN LABS Fred, or is this Pat. Inquiring minds yata yata. Thanks to all contributors.   RJ