Most of the conference call was confirming what we already knew but there are some new tidbits. They state they are making strides in coatings and electrode precesses and the really interesting statement is that they are investigating taking over conventional li-ion plants and converting them to their process. Remember there are big plants all over the world that have been abandoned by companies that have walked away from the business. 12.5 to 13 million is about the break-even mark and above that they will be profitable. They did confirm that the revenue was back-loaded and still firmly stand by their guidance of 15 million for calendar year 2014 and exponential growth for 2015. Still working with DFM.