They haven't timed the markets well, they didn't get the funding when they should have, they're timing is off due to Covid, supply Chain issues and product miscalculations, but fluff is going too far, they invented something called an optical interposer and it's taking a bit longer for some companies to catch on......in the AI space, Celestial AI doesn't think it's fluff, in Telecom and Data Center neither does Adva or Luxshare and a few others are testing it as we speak, so I don't know what your angle is, but I see your wife's point.