Traps - is it always in the joint ventures partner's interest to really reveal the full value of a property if they want to buy it? I say this from the cpy and ng joint venture view. In dec they came out with a offer to buy based on the value of cpy (after galore creek had been shut down for two years). The news releases from their joint venture strike me as much the same. Cpy has now come back with their rebuttal and it is on the sedar sight. SGR has certainly lost some of its upward momentum - do you have any thoughts on that. The hinge zone is interesting but Skp just seems to be stuck. I did not think the last news on Dufferin was bad but it is interesting how usually the news builds up to the PDAC. I hope so because SKP certainly seems to need a leg up.