Re: ...Wow, A Loaded Question
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Feb 19, 2009 12:51PM
Producing Mines and "state-of-the-art" Mill
Crazy how a thread can get offtrack and be hijacked, we were talking about why an investor here may choose to sell or not. I kicked around the ups and downs about that.
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JES, As for world finances and the dire situation we are in. Look what happened to the regulatory end of the markets after many were stung by Bre-x. ( intro the world to the 43-101) now we see guys like Madoff and Stanford coming forth. What the heck?
What will change now so that these characters do not ever develop again?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...
"As Bernard Madoff was arrested and charged with the world's biggest scam on December 11, another billionaire was just 24 hours away from watching his own alleged fraud unravel before his eyes.
Among the millions of hapless investors, banks and charities who scrambled to discover how much they had lost to Mr Madoff was Allen Stanford, whose vast investment empire stretched across the US, the Caribbean and Latin America.
He was told on December 15 - less than a week after the alleged Madoff “Ponzi” scheme collapsed — that his firm had lost a relatively modest $400,000.
But the loss marked the beginning of the end for Mr Stanford. His business activities, which included a bank and a fund-management company, had already aroused the suspicion of his own clearing bank, Pershing, one of the world's biggest financial institutions.
On December 12 Pershing had effectively thrown in the towel on Mr Stanford by ceasing to process any wire transfers for his investment firm because it had grown concerned about the lack of transparency in his business. Pershing had no idea who Mr Stanford's clients were or how he made his money.
Mr Stanford relied on Pershing to process his commercial transactions. Between 2006 and December 2008, Pershing had sent to the Stanford Bank in Antigua about 1,635 wire transfers worth about $517million, from about 1,700 accounts.
As Mr Stanford allegedly lied to his anxious investors — telling them that his own businesses had no exposure to Mr Madoff — the American financial regulators had begun an investigation into Mr Stanford. It took them three months, until Tuesday afternoon, to charge him and two of his associates with fraud.
Apart from the obvious two connections between Mr Madoff and Mr Stanford - that one invested in the other and that both have been charged with fraud — they have a good deal else in common.
The investment schemes of both came to light primarily because of the slump in the US economy and the collapse of world stock markets. Mr Madoff's alleged “Ponzi” scheme was laid bare after his own investors rushed to withdraw their savings, which they believed to have been held in stocks and shares.
Mr Stanford had run into trouble after big investments such as holdings in Florida property started to unravel.
The two alleged frauds are also similar in scale - though Mr Madoff's victims believe that they lost about $50billion, far more than
the $8billion fraud with which Mr Stanford is charged. And both have involved American, offshore and British financial regulators scouring the globe for assets."